Thanks Red. Disappointing to hear they're a bit cramped, unfortunately that seems to be a complaint of all the modern BÉ coaches. I believe the SEs are very cramped as well. I didn't expect the VEs to be cramped, though, because they have had 53 seats in a coach this length many times before and I don't ever remember the VPs or original VCs being cramped. I think the VEs are 12.0 m long? Anyone know for certain. Other than that they sound good, hopefully they won't have any of the problems the last two batches of Volvo coaches had. I would love these to be a success and for them to mark a return to Volvo coaches in the fleet.